Stop The Foreign Invasion of the USA!

On one of the email discussion lists that I run, a flame war errupted over the problem of illegal immigration so much discussed in the news these days. I wrote the following to a member with whom I agree about most things, but we disagreed on this topic. I have changed some names to protect people's privacy:

I'm glad you are back, Roberta. Sorry to hear about your modem. I'm also sorry that I was not able to head off the big flareup on the list. It is so easy for feelings to get hurt when we are doing email. Having a thick skin is very useful. Unfortunately it sometimes has to be a very thick skin.

I was telling George that I strongly agree with you about the futility of accomplishing anything on a national level by working to elect Congressmen, Senators and Presidents. And I agree with you about the role prophesied for the Lamanites if the Gentiles or European-Americans in America become ripe in wickedness. However I do not support amnesty of any kind, or anything that even slightly resembles amnesty for those Mexicans who are now living illegally in the USA. I support completely the efforts of Tom Tancredo and the Minutemen to stop the flow of illegal Mexicans until we can create a system that will properly screen everyone who enters the country. There are important security reasons for this. The kind of immigration from Mexico that has been taking place illegally over the last few years is so massive, and is so heavily involved with the Mexican Mafia and other organized crime groups engaged in smuggling illegal aliens into the country, that the very survival of the USA as a sovereign nation is threatened. There should be a legal way for all of these people too come into the country after proper screening. And all illegal immigration should be stopped at once by whatever means are necessary even if it means putting our military on the border, building a wall and setting up mine fields in a DMZ between two fences as we have done between North and South Korea. It can be done. We have done it in other situations. And it works.

Once we have achieved complete control of our border and all immigration that is taking place is occurring legally, then and only then should we address the problem of all those Mexicans who are already here illegally. They definitely should either be deported or encouraged to become legal residents and eventually citizens after proper screening that is at least as thorough as that taking place for the new legal immigrants. Any kind of amnesty, any other method of making currently illegal aliens into legal residents will enormous exacerbate the difficulties of getting control of our border because it will strongly encourage Mexicans and other Hispanics from south of the border to believe that they can become legal citizens if they can only get into the country legally or otherwise. We must avoid sending that message at all costs. The current invasion, and that is exactly what it is: an invasion by a foreign nation, would be much harder to defend against after anything like amnesty were put into place before complete border control is achieved.

Keep in mind that I am not a racist, nor am I opposed to legal immigration. If anything, I believe that legal immigration should be increased, perhaps dramatically. My wife is an Hispanic immigrant of Mayan ancestry from El Salvador. She comes from a large extended family, and almost all of them have immigrated here since she arrived in the early 1960s. Both of her parents are buried in the Provo, Utah cemetery. Some of her family came here illegally in the beginning. And they are all legal today. They have gone to school here, obtained college degrees and post-graduate degrees, married in the temple, raised their families here, sent their children on missions from here, worked hard, supported themselves and one another, and paid their taxes. They are good people who deserve to be here a great deal more than many of the native-born citizens of this country. They are better people than my own parents and siblings who are Anglo-Americans who grew up where I did in Nebraska. But because they are legal, they are not a threat to the survival of the USA. Their coming here was not an invasion of a foreign country.

Mexicans are good people. In many cases they are much better people than we are. They don't get abortions, and they have large families that they work hard to take care of. They teach their children to behave. And their teenagers maintain good relationships with their parents. Particularly in the case of the girls, they have a close relationship with their mothers that is almost unheard of in our own culture. Go to any mall in a large metropolitan area where there is a large Latino population and you will see the Anglo-American teen aged girls running around in unsupervised packs. The Hispanic girls are all there shopping with their mothers. The difference is striking.

But if the USA is to survive as a free country, it has to remain sovereign under our Constitution and Bill of Rights. It cannot be merged with Mexico and Canada as the CFR and the neo-cons in the White House want. Such a merging of our nations would be a total disaster because it would make a full end of rights as citizens and would lead to the rise a huge, totalitarian dictatorship. And failing to secure our borders while continuing to permit this huge influx of Mexicans who are coming here illegally, would lead to this damnable merging of the USA with Canada and Mexico.

Now I agree with you that if the USA fails and is overrun by Hispanics from the south it will only be a fulfillment of prophesies in the Book of Mormon. It will only occur if the people of the USA become wicked and deserving of the destruction that the Jaredites and Nephites experienced. I further agree with you that this is probably going to happen because the citizens of the USA have in fact become corrupt and wicked for the most part. But it does not follow that the failure of the USA is a good thing, or that we should help it along by opposing border control measure to make sure that all immigration takes place legally. We know that the destruction and scattering of the Jews in 70 A.D. was a fulfillment of prophecy. But that does not mean that the Lord approved of the people who did that to them or that it was a good thing that it happened. On the contrary, the Lord has clearly expressed his anger at those who persecute the Jews.

I also agree with you that some of the anger about illegal immigration is caused by racist feelings among the Anglo-Americans who already live in the USA. They do not seem to be nearly as upset about all the illegal Canadians and British who are here. And these racists deserve to be punished by God for their racist, uncharitable attitudes. But it is not appropriate to destroy the USA to punish them, not while there are still millions of good people here that need their freedom in order to carry on the work of the Church. If we are to become a lawless people with no respect for the Constitution and our national sovereignty, it should not be because the saints of God have contributed to it. We believe in being subject to rulers and obeying the law. It is fundamental to our beliefs. The people in Washinton and elsewhere in our country who are trying to destroy the sovereignty of the USA by causing the huge, illegal invasion from Mexico are criminals. They are murderers. They are Gadianton Robbers. They are associated with the Mexican Mafia and worse. We should not support them in their efforts to destroy the USA, not even if many of those against illegal immigration are against it for the wrong reasons, racist reasons.

We should do all we can to encourage the government of the USA and the various states to 1) do whatever is necessary to stop the flow of illegal aliens, and 2) take steps to insure that all illegals who remain become legal either by providing them with a path to citizenship or by deporting those who are undesireables. But #1 has to be completed before #2 is attempted. Because doing #2 first or even simultaneously with #1 will make #1 impossible.

Now what is going to happen is not what should happen. I think that we are not going to control our border. The USA will be merged with Mexico. There will be a huge civil war break out, possibly with many sides resulting in general anarchy. We will probably be attacked by foreign nations in the middle of any such civil war. Terrorist attacks and foreign powers will devastate us with nuclear weapons and biologicals that cause horrible plagues that will sweep the land. Mexicans will come north in numbers that we cannot even imagine today. Chinese armed and advised militaries will invade us from the south with tanks and infantry. War will break out with China and other nations of Asia. Asian infantry will invade North America across the Bering Strait forming a huge pincer movement with the invasions across our southern border. It is going to be a terrible mess. And anyone who is not protected by the Lord because of his righteousness is going to be "swept off" the North American continent just as promised so many times in the Book of Mormon for the Gentiles once they are ripe in wickedness. And believe me, they are indeed ripe.

But we Latter-day Saints should not participate in the evil that is done. We should not support and uphold the Gadianton Robbers who are trying to do this and will almost surely succeed. We should be on the side of law, of the Constitution, of legal immigration and against illegal immigration. We should help the good people who are trying to save this country. So that even if they fail, and they probably will, we will be on record as having supported the side of law and freedom against the wicked Gadianton Robber who are trying to destroy the USA.

At least that is how I see it today. My wife is a legal Hispanic immigrant. My children are all mixed race. All of my beloved inlaws, and there are many, are legal Hispanic immigrants. But we should not, we must not participate in the destruction of the USA. All the Mexicans who come here, and all of the Mexicans who stay should be legal. And this invasion from a foreign nation must be stopped by any means necessary.

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8 Responses to Stop The Foreign Invasion of the USA!

  1. Lou says:

    A few weeks ago I saw a current events talk show that featured a debate about this topic. During the episode, they had an online poll that asked whether respondents supported amnestry, deportation, or one of a few degrees in between. 72% of the respondents chose deportation. Based on the opinions I’ve heard in casual conversation, I’m surprised it was only 72%. Yet the media seems to present this as a neck-and-neck contest. I don’t know to what extent they’re serving corporate masters who profit from illegal immigration or just skewing the situation for the sake of sales, but they’re hardly doing their country any favors by misrepresenting it.

    I lived overseas for nine years in a community that had a large international cross-section. In discussing politics with my foreign friends – many of whom were clearly to the left – it was obvious that an open-border or amnesty policy would have been unthinkable in their home countries or to them. The comparison says something about how guilt politics and industrial subservience have eroded our national identity and common sense.

  2. Lee says:

    Things should be legal. People who want to work in other countries should work legally and pay taxes. Taxes allows the country to benefit.

    However there is another side, in a perfect world we can choose to work where we want. Unfortunately todays society its not so.

    So working legally is the way forward, unless things changed in the future, which I doubt it will.

  3. — Ujlapana —
    The Nephites were hitherto “swept off.” Reread your Book of Mormon and note the following. The inhabitants of America were all righteous after the arrival of Christ. Then some of them turned to the dark-skinned inclination again, and the “Nephite/Lamanite” schism reappeared in name only. At the end of the Book, it’s those Nephites, *the ones who stayed righteous longer,* that get “swept off.” You might say the Lamanites got swept off later by the Europeans, but actually, they’re all still here.

    — JWR —
    I am already aware of the point you make here, and I consider it irrelevant for the purposes of interpreting these Book of Mormon prophecies. When it comes down to it, many Nephites survived the final destruction of their people because they dissented to the Lamanites and were assimilated by them prior to the end. The fact remains, the Nephite nation and civilization was completely "swept off."

    — Ujlapana —
    You seem to believe that America is a less rigteous place than it used to be. I guess you view tolerance for homosexuality as worse than slavery?

    — JWR —
    I do indeed believe American is a less righteous place than it used to be, and living prophets continually confirm this in their talks and writings. And no, I do not consider tolerance for homosexuals to be worse than slavery. In fact, I do not consider tolerance for anyone to be a sin at all. We are commanded to love all men, even murderers, child rapists and the like. What I consider worse than slavery is the codifying into our law the legitimacy of a practice that is an abomination in the eyes of God. We might just as well make child molestation, bestiality, incest, and every other form of abomination legal. I believe that we should love and "tolerate" the people who do these things, but I do not believe we should have toleration for the evil they do. And we certainly should not put the stamp of society's approval on their filthy behavior by legalizing it as we would certainly do if we legalized same-sex marriage.

    Also, when the gospel was restored, slavery was already on its way out. The same cannot be said of the abominations that are currently being promoted by evil people in our nation. And even though slavery was already on its way out, it still nearly destroyed the nation in the Civil War. God will not protect and preserve a nation that embraces gross sin, not when it has had the amount of light and past blessings that this one has.

    — Ujlapana —
    I’m having a hard time reconciling your interpretation of the “promised land” with the limited-geography model, which put the “promised land” in Guatemala or there-abouts. Has Guatemala been extremely blessed? Columbia? Venezuala? Panama? Peru? Brazil? Or do you dismiss that model and propose that everything took place in North America?

    — JWR —
    When it comes to Book of Mormon geography, I claim to be completely ignorant as I believe everyone else is. I do not embrace any of the models. The Lord has not revealed this information, and I am content wait for further revelation on the matter.

    If I were forced to choose, which I am not, I would choose to go with what Joseph Fielding Smith taught on Book of Mormon geography. And he clearly taught that the limited-geography model is wrong. But I would go with his view only because I automatically accept prophetic opinions as true unless there is overwhelming evidence proving it to be incorrect. And with me such "evidence" must usually be contradicting prophetic opinion or official pronouncements. I do not just follow the prophets in my behavior. I try my best to follow them in my beliefs and opinions too. That is why I consider myself an Iron Rod "in the tradition of Joseph Fielding Smith and Bruce R. McConkie."

    — Ujlapana —
    I worry about your monolithic view of societies. Saying “Jews were extremely wicked” seems to ignore the fact that only a few Jews really got involved in murdering prophets and somehow blames all of the 70 AD Jews for choices made generations ago. It’s not unlike a person in 4000 AD discussing how wicked 21st century Mormons were because they abandoned plural marraige, which the 19th century prophets had clearly taught was an immutable law of God.

    — JWR —
    You would not disagree with me on what you call my monolithic view of societies if you understood and believed the scriptures. In the Book of Mormon we read:

    — 2 Nephi 10:3 —
    Wherefore, as I said unto you, it must needs be expedient that Christ—for in the last night the angel spake unto me that this should be his name—should come among the Jews, among those who are the more wicked part of the world; and they shall crucify him—for thus it behooveth our God, and there is none other nation on earth that would crucify their God.

    Elsewhere, many places in the scriptures, it is clear that the Lord promised utter destruction to the descendants of Jacob if they apostatized from his law and rejected and slew his prophets. The Jewish prophets promised Israel the destruction of Jerusalem in 588 B.C. And they also promised the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

    God not only judges individuals. He also judges nations. And he judges nations not only by what they do, but by what they allow to be done. The American people are not all guilty of abominations, but because we govern ourselves "by the voice of the people" we are responsible for what we allow to go on among us. And if we allow abortions, sexual child abuse, widespread drug trafficking, many murders committed by secret combinations, illegal and immoral wars of aggression against other peoples, homosexual abominations, and many other great evils such as we are currently endorsing by our inaction against these things, then we are all guilty of that inaction. Because we are a government "by the voice of the people," God holds us responsible for what we do "by the voice of the people."

  4. Ujlapana says:

    The Nephites were hitherto “swept off.” Reread your Book of Mormon and note the following. The inhabitants of America were all righteous after the arrival of Christ. Then some of them turned to the dark-skinned inclination again, and the “Nephite/Lamanite” schism reappeared in name only. At the end of the Book, it’s those Nephites, *the ones who stayed righteous longer,* that get “swept off.” You might say the Lamanites got swept off later by the Europeans, but actually, they’re all still here.

    You seem to believe that America is a less rigteous place than it used to be. I guess you view tolerance for homosexuality as worse than slavery?

    I’m having a hard time reconciling your interpretation of the “promised land” with the limited-geography model, which put the “promised land” in Guatemala or there-abouts. Has Guatemala been extremely blessed? Columbia? Venezuala? Panama? Peru? Brazil? Or do you dismiss that model and propose that everything took place in North America?

    I worry about your monolithic view of societies. Saying “Jews were extremely wicked” seems to ignore the fact that only a few Jews really got involved in murdering prophets and somehow blames all of the 70 AD Jews for choices made generations ago. It’s not unlike a person in 4000 AD discussing how wicked 21st century Mormons were because they abandoned plural marraige, which the 19th century prophets had clearly taught was an immutable law of God.

  5. If you will read the Book of Mormon carefully, with inspiration from the Holy Ghost, you will notice at least three places where the Lord promises without qualification that any people who inhabit the "promised land" [of America] will serve the God of this land who is Jesus Christ or they will be "swept off" when they become "ripe in wickedness." In a couple of these places it is further explained that a great "Gentile" nation will rise up "in the last days" that is more wealthy and more powerful than any other nation, and that if they become "ripe" these will be "swept off" like two other great nations have already been swept off in a clear reference to the Jaredites and the Nephites. In yet another place, this time the 29th chapter of Mosiah, it is explained the when a nation is governed "by the voice of the people" that those who desire what is not right are usually the lesser part of the people, and those who desire what is right are the greater part of the people, but that if the greater part of the people ever choose what is not right, then their destruction is imminent. If you are looking for this, you will find it stated many places in the Book of Mormon in great plainness. Perhaps I will devote a whole post to identifying the exact prophecies and where they are found. But for now it is sufficient to point you in the right direction if you want to find out for yourself. A lot of saints would really rather not know about this for some reason. I imagine it is because it makes them uncomfortable, but since I am no mind reader, I can only assume that.

    Just do a string search for the phrase "swept off" in the Book of Mormon and try to understand what you read in context. It should become very clear in a hurry. I've already pointed you to the 29th chapter of Mosiah.

    Here are some verses from Ether 2 that specifically apply to us today in America:

    9 And now, we can behold the decrees of God concerning this land, that it is a land of promise; and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall serve God, or they shall be swept off when the fulness of his wrath shall come upon them. And the fulness of his wrath cometh upon them when they are ripened in iniquity.

    10 For behold, this is a land which is choice above all other lands; wherefore he that doth possess it shall serve God or shall be swept off; for it is the everlasting decree of God. And it is not until the fulness of iniquity among the children of the land, that they are swept off.

    11 And this cometh unto you, O ye Gentiles, that ye may know the decrees of God—that ye may repent, and not continue in your iniquities until the fulness come, that ye may not bring down the fulness of the wrath of God upon you as the inhabitants of the land have hitherto done.

    12 Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ, who hath been manifested by the things which we have written.

    Throughout the Book of Mormon when the "promised land" is mentioned it is a clear reference to the Americas. And whenever the "Gentiles" in the promised land is mentioned, it is a clear reference to European-Americans that settled here after First Contact by Columbus.

    We Anglo-Americans living in the USA are a Gentile nation living in the promised land of the Americas, and if we become ripe in wickedness we will be swept off like the Jaredites and the Nephites were "hitherto" swept off. For anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear it is even more clear than the sun at noon on a clear day.

    That does not mean the Chinese are righteous, only that we are wicked because of the abominations that we have written into our laws, abortion and gay marriage being only two of many that come immediately to mind. Were the Lamanites righteous when they "swept off" the Nephites? Were the Romans righhteous when God stepped aside and let them utterly destroy Israel in 70 A.D. No, but the Jews were extremely wicked because they had apostatized from the true religion that had been given to them by Moses, and they murdered the prophets such as John the Baptist and Jesus whom the Lord had sent. It is by the wicked that the wicked are punished. And only a nation that enjoys the blessings of heaven as the United States has been so blessed throughout its short history as a nation, enjoys the Lord's protection against its enemies. The Jaredites wiped themselves out. Both sides of that conflict were utterly wicked because of secret combinations.

    The USA is about to be "swept off" in fulfillment of clear promises the Lord has made concerning the future of America, the promised land. We won't be wiped out by righteous Chinese, just by less wicked Chinese if, in fact, it is the Chinese who do it. That is by no means certain, just likely in my opinion. After all, the Chinese are not Christian and never have been. They don't know any better. They are a heathen nation that has never been given the law of God. According to scripture, at the Second Coming, the heathen nations will be spared the total destruction of the wicked that will occur at that time.

    Just study the prophecies. Anyone with a Book of Mormon can clearly see these things coming. That is why these prophecies were put into the Book of Mormon, so that we could be forewarned and repent. If we repent, nothing bad will happen to the USA. If we don't, we will be utterly rubbed out. It has happened repeatedly before and the Lord has promised that it will happen again in the "last days" if we become wicked. These are the "last days." That these are the last days is actually written into the name of our Church. We are the Gentiles upon the promised land. We must repent or be rubbed out completely, just like the Jaredites and Nephites. We are committing terrible abominations in this country. We have been doing them for many years and it keeps getting worse, year by year. So we will be fully "ripe in wickedness" (another string to search on with your software.)

  6. Ujlapana says:

    Concerned about racism? I guess this isn’t entirely “in the tradition of Joseph Fielding Smith and Bruce R. McConkie.” Glad to see it.

    If the border were “open” to anyone who passed a criminal background check, illegal immigration would be much easier to control. Why? Because the infrastructure that currently exists to support massive illegal immigration would evaporate. Currently, bad guys can hitch a ride on the system that supports the thousands of decent folk that cross the border nightly. Once you let all those legitimate folks cross freely, it will become much harder to pay for getting your terrorist cell across. You say #1 must precede #2–I say #1 will only be possible once #2 is in place.

    I’m kind of lost on your “swept off” logic. Are you saying that if the Chinese invade America, they will be righteous themselves? Or will they sweep themselves off the land as well? What’s your timeline for all of this?

  7. I agree, but make sure that those who come are not terrorists or other enemies bringing nuclear weapons or biological weapons with them.

    I don’t want any escaped murderers, Mexican Mafia, drug smugglers with a truck load of drugs, terrorists with a truck load of nuclear devices, or people with highly contagious diseases coming into the country. But I wish that everyone else who wants to come would come freely and legally and stay here forever if they want to.

    But… if we don’t have completely secure borders and border guards and immigration officials that don’t take bribes from the Mexican Mafia, Columbian drug lords and other criminals, it will be impossible to screen everyone who comes into the country.

    Why without any screening at all, a foreign army could come into the country just by changing out of their uniforms and into civilian clothes. Our enemies wouldn’t have to land amphibious craft on our beaches or launch ICBMs against our cities. They could just walk in or drive in and bring their bombs and biological weapons with them.

    If it was up to me, the border would be perfectly sealed. Every honest and law abiding person who wanted in would be given permanent legal status, and every alien already here would be granted legal status and offered a way to become citizens. But as long as people come in under the fence or by the back door while we aren’t looking we have no idea who is coming into the country. And there is nothing to keep enemies from coming into the country bringing their weapons with them.

  8. Judy Jones says:

    I prefer that we have open borders and let everybody come in who wants to. We used to do that.

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