On one of the email discussion lists that I run, a flame war errupted over the problem of illegal immigration so much discussed in the news these days. I wrote the following to a member with whom I agree about most things, but we disagreed on this topic. I have changed some names to protect people's privacy:
I'm glad you are back, Roberta. Sorry to hear about your modem. I'm also sorry that I was not able to head off the big flareup on the list. It is so easy for feelings to get hurt when we are doing email. Having a thick skin is very useful. Unfortunately it sometimes has to be a very thick skin.
I was telling George that I strongly agree with you about the futility of accomplishing anything on a national level by working to elect Congressmen, Senators and Presidents. And I agree with you about the role prophesied for the Lamanites if the Gentiles or European-Americans in America become ripe in wickedness. However I do not support amnesty of any kind, or anything that even slightly resembles amnesty for those Mexicans who are now living illegally in the USA. I support completely the efforts of Tom Tancredo and the Minutemen to stop the flow of illegal Mexicans until we can create a system that will properly screen everyone who enters the country. There are important security reasons for this. The kind of immigration from Mexico that has been taking place illegally over the last few years is so massive, and is so heavily involved with the Mexican Mafia and other organized crime groups engaged in smuggling illegal aliens into the country, that the very survival of the USA as a sovereign nation is threatened. There should be a legal way for all of these people too come into the country after proper screening. And all illegal immigration should be stopped at once by whatever means are necessary even if it means putting our military on the border, building a wall and setting up mine fields in a DMZ between two fences as we have done between North and South Korea. It can be done. We have done it in other situations. And it works.
Once we have achieved complete control of our border and all immigration that is taking place is occurring legally, then and only then should we address the problem of all those Mexicans who are already here illegally. They definitely should either be deported or encouraged to become legal residents and eventually citizens after proper screening that is at least as thorough as that taking place for the new legal immigrants. Any kind of amnesty, any other method of making currently illegal aliens into legal residents will enormous exacerbate the difficulties of getting control of our border because it will strongly encourage Mexicans and other Hispanics from south of the border to believe that they can become legal citizens if they can only get into the country legally or otherwise. We must avoid sending that message at all costs. The current invasion, and that is exactly what it is: an invasion by a foreign nation, would be much harder to defend against after anything like amnesty were put into place before complete border control is achieved.
Keep in mind that I am not a racist, nor am I opposed to legal immigration. If anything, I believe that legal immigration should be increased, perhaps dramatically. My wife is an Hispanic immigrant of Mayan ancestry from El Salvador. She comes from a large extended family, and almost all of them have immigrated here since she arrived in the early 1960s. Both of her parents are buried in the Provo, Utah cemetery. Some of her family came here illegally in the beginning. And they are all legal today. They have gone to school here, obtained college degrees and post-graduate degrees, married in the temple, raised their families here, sent their children on missions from here, worked hard, supported themselves and one another, and paid their taxes. They are good people who deserve to be here a great deal more than many of the native-born citizens of this country. They are better people than my own parents and siblings who are Anglo-Americans who grew up where I did in Nebraska. But because they are legal, they are not a threat to the survival of the USA. Their coming here was not an invasion of a foreign country.
Mexicans are good people. In many cases they are much better people than we are. They don't get abortions, and they have large families that they work hard to take care of. They teach their children to behave. And their teenagers maintain good relationships with their parents. Particularly in the case of the girls, they have a close relationship with their mothers that is almost unheard of in our own culture. Go to any mall in a large metropolitan area where there is a large Latino population and you will see the Anglo-American teen aged girls running around in unsupervised packs. The Hispanic girls are all there shopping with their mothers. The difference is striking.
But if the USA is to survive as a free country, it has to remain sovereign under our Constitution and Bill of Rights. It cannot be merged with Mexico and Canada as the CFR and the neo-cons in the White House want. Such a merging of our nations would be a total disaster because it would make a full end of rights as citizens and would lead to the rise a huge, totalitarian dictatorship. And failing to secure our borders while continuing to permit this huge influx of Mexicans who are coming here illegally, would lead to this damnable merging of the USA with Canada and Mexico.
Now I agree with you that if the USA fails and is overrun by Hispanics from the south it will only be a fulfillment of prophesies in the Book of Mormon. It will only occur if the people of the USA become wicked and deserving of the destruction that the Jaredites and Nephites experienced. I further agree with you that this is probably going to happen because the citizens of the USA have in fact become corrupt and wicked for the most part. But it does not follow that the failure of the USA is a good thing, or that we should help it along by opposing border control measure to make sure that all immigration takes place legally. We know that the destruction and scattering of the Jews in 70 A.D. was a fulfillment of prophecy. But that does not mean that the Lord approved of the people who did that to them or that it was a good thing that it happened. On the contrary, the Lord has clearly expressed his anger at those who persecute the Jews.
I also agree with you that some of the anger about illegal immigration is caused by racist feelings among the Anglo-Americans who already live in the USA. They do not seem to be nearly as upset about all the illegal Canadians and British who are here. And these racists deserve to be punished by God for their racist, uncharitable attitudes. But it is not appropriate to destroy the USA to punish them, not while there are still millions of good people here that need their freedom in order to carry on the work of the Church. If we are to become a lawless people with no respect for the Constitution and our national sovereignty, it should not be because the saints of God have contributed to it. We believe in being subject to rulers and obeying the law. It is fundamental to our beliefs. The people in Washinton and elsewhere in our country who are trying to destroy the sovereignty of the USA by causing the huge, illegal invasion from Mexico are criminals. They are murderers. They are Gadianton Robbers. They are associated with the Mexican Mafia and worse. We should not support them in their efforts to destroy the USA, not even if many of those against illegal immigration are against it for the wrong reasons, racist reasons.
We should do all we can to encourage the government of the USA and the various states to 1) do whatever is necessary to stop the flow of illegal aliens, and 2) take steps to insure that all illegals who remain become legal either by providing them with a path to citizenship or by deporting those who are undesireables. But #1 has to be completed before #2 is attempted. Because doing #2 first or even simultaneously with #1 will make #1 impossible.
Now what is going to happen is not what should happen. I think that we are not going to control our border. The USA will be merged with Mexico. There will be a huge civil war break out, possibly with many sides resulting in general anarchy. We will probably be attacked by foreign nations in the middle of any such civil war. Terrorist attacks and foreign powers will devastate us with nuclear weapons and biologicals that cause horrible plagues that will sweep the land. Mexicans will come north in numbers that we cannot even imagine today. Chinese armed and advised militaries will invade us from the south with tanks and infantry. War will break out with China and other nations of Asia. Asian infantry will invade North America across the Bering Strait forming a huge pincer movement with the invasions across our southern border. It is going to be a terrible mess. And anyone who is not protected by the Lord because of his righteousness is going to be "swept off" the North American continent just as promised so many times in the Book of Mormon for the Gentiles once they are ripe in wickedness. And believe me, they are indeed ripe.
But we Latter-day Saints should not participate in the evil that is done. We should not support and uphold the Gadianton Robbers who are trying to do this and will almost surely succeed. We should be on the side of law, of the Constitution, of legal immigration and against illegal immigration. We should help the good people who are trying to save this country. So that even if they fail, and they probably will, we will be on record as having supported the side of law and freedom against the wicked Gadianton Robber who are trying to destroy the USA.
At least that is how I see it today. My wife is a legal Hispanic immigrant. My children are all mixed race. All of my beloved inlaws, and there are many, are legal Hispanic immigrants. But we should not, we must not participate in the destruction of the USA. All the Mexicans who come here, and all of the Mexicans who stay should be legal. And this invasion from a foreign nation must be stopped by any means necessary.
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Posted by John W. Redelfs