Comments on: How Many Sons of Perdition Are There?

By: A.V.P

A.V.P — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:50:19 +0000

someone else also commented on your’s saying that cain was refered to as a son of perdition. He was actually refered to as perdition. Such is taught in Moses 5:22-24. If such is true then the singularity of the idea of ’son of perdition’ may be because previous to Judas Iscariot there were no others that were considered to be sons of perdition. If this is true then when reading it all in context it would make sense as to why both the book of mormon and the new testement refer to son’s of perdition in the singular sense. It would also make sense as to why peter would refer to them in the plural sense when refering to their judgment, for at that time other son’s of perdition may have come to light (or to dark)… As for modern day revelation in regards to this idea, we aren’t able to identify who are those who are modern day sons of perdition due to the fact that without direct revelation in regards to the subject we aren’t able to 1/we arent able to determine who has received enough light and knowledge in order to be able to reach the heights of those who are able to become S of P, and 2/ we don’t know whom of those people have rejected God sufficiently in order to be filled with enough darkness to be considered son’s of perdition.

By: A.V.P

A.V.P — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:20:20 +0000

it would be good to know that in the book of mormon it refers to the idea in the singular form as well. But in peter it says the following:
2 Pet. 3: 7
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
With the part, the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men, we find Peter pluralizing the idea of those that are to receive the judgment of perdition

By: A.V.P

A.V.P — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:11:49 +0000

Going along with what you have just said, when Joseph Smith described those that are going to the telestial kingdom he said that those whom have murdered are going to be going to that kindgom. When it refers to shedding innocent blood it is refering to killing Christ again. His blood is the innocent blood that is being refered to.

By: A.V.P

A.V.P — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:07:02 +0000

Your comment about ‘essentially no one is receiving a calling and election… in these days” is not totally true. There are those that are receiving it in these days. And we aren’t able to estimate their numbers by any means for part of such is, as with other ordinances made in the temple, not to desclose information about the ordinance outside of the temple walls. Also for others to know, to have your calling and election made sure can not be done alone. It is done with a man and a woman. Just as Joseph Smith was to have received his calling and election, Emma Smith would have had to have received hers as well. Knowing such then also supports the reply made by J. Stapley to Judy Jones. For every man that has received his calling and election there must be a woman that has also received it.

By: Ben

Ben — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:54:04 +0000

Shedding innocent blood refers to crucifying Jesus anew, or having received a perfect knowledge of your salvation through Christ’s atonement, then working actively against that truth. As previously stated, you basically have to be sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise (that’s the Second Comforter–Jesus) unto eternal life, then seek to destroy the church. Any other sin you commit after that point is on your head, and you’ll suffer for it as Jesus did, then when your suffering’s done you’ll receive your exaltation like it says in D&C 132. But crucify Jesus anew and, well, it was better for you never to have been born. As detailed in the Doctrine and Covenants, only the prophet can reveal to a person if their calling and election is made sure, so if he hasn’t told you, don’t worry about maybe being a child of perdition. You’re not. And anything you’re worrying about, anything that may be hanging over your head–it’s not so bad. Satan will tell it’s worse than it is. You can repent, if you’re willing, in Jesus’s name.

By: Melvin Melgar

Melvin Melgar — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:13:44 +0000

I believe that a son of perdition must have so much light to deny the Father, the Son and the angels of heavens, when a man who is called by God, who is a prophet receives all of the ordinances and the second anointing, and know God even the Greatest Plan of Salvation which is all included in the Ark of the Covenants, and deny it, then he becomes a son of perdition or if he persecutes the Church of Jesus Christ, kill the prophets, the saints, or people. That’s what I believe with the strongest feelings of my heart about the Book of Mormon. The Lord may send the Destroyer Angel who denies the Holy Spirit, and kill the man who deny it with wide open eyes. This is my testimony which I feel so strong about Jesus in the Name of Jesus Christ, amen.

By: J. Humberg

J. Humberg — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:18:48 +0000

I was Baptized in 1970 while serving in the USCG in Alaska.

Splitting hairs about who gets the axe on this Perdition question is just that!

There are a few unscrupulous individuals that went too far in their Anti-Gospel Rhetoric. One in particular was Ed Decker and his “Saints Alive” pamphlets and film called the “God Makers”. Fawn Brody, Deborah Lakke, Sonja Johnson for her chaining event at the dedication of the Seattle Temple and the ERA.

While working at the Genealogy booth at the Puyallup Fair in Washington State, I was accosted by some cronies for the Saints Alive group, they were summarily marched off the fairgrounds by the security personnel, but I had heard that a couple years earlier, Ed Decker himself from Bellevue, WA at that time, came dressed in the Temple’s ceremonial clothing and paraded up and down in front of the LDS booth passing out his Anti-Mormon literature until he was arrested for illegal trespassing and soliciting without a license there at the fair, and was slapped with a restraining order.

If the press was in on these persons actions and the First Presidency too about the Deckerites, then there might be a few angels taking notes as well. So instead of worrying about which way the Pearly Gates swing, why not let these people pass on into the next state of life, and see if the lights go out forever!

Perdition is a state of mind, and a conscious act of defiance against a higher law….
So lets let’s just let sleeping Endowed Excommunicated unrepentant, Anti-Mormons sleep in their own self made proverbial beds!

By: Trevor

Trevor — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:45:40 +0000

The moniker “sons” of perdition teaches correctly that women will not have part in this degree of glory (or lack thereof). Boyd K. Packer and other apostles have on rare occasion taught this exact doctrine stating that the statement in scripture that women are saved by childbirth refers directly to being saved from the condition of being a Son of Perdition. Also many apostles have clearly taught that the “rank and file” members of the church/holders of the Priesthood will never be in a position to even sin sufficiently against the Holy Ghost to become a Son of Perdition. Do we believe that God continues to reveal truths to his prophets? I do. The scriptures are gateways to receiving personal revelation. I think that some on this forum had beware of wresting the scriptures or reading with a single possible interpretation of meaning. Apostles often speak from different angles on the same topic so that one can compile what they all have said at different times in order to come to an understanding of the doctrinal truth. Sometimes they appear inconsistent or in opposition to one another when in actuality they are defining the bounds set by the Lord on a particular law. One has to apply to deep pondering of all available teachings and prayer to get at the truth- not sloppy logic.

Bruce – your loyalty to the Bible is an example of limited faith and belief in God. Judas Iscariot is not the only Son of Perdition. Cain is the first, and that from the Bible as well. So you have at least two you must consider even limited to the Bible as the end-all-be-all of God’s communication with mankind.

By: Bruce

Bruce — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:11:45 +0000

The Bible refers to *singular* – Son of Perdition – not sons.

When in doubt, go to God’s Word- The Holy Bible – not the words of modern men.

hth

Bruce

By: Devin Grant

Devin Grant — Sun, 08 Jul 2007 17:26:40 +0000

I heard from Calvin R. Stephens, former manager of Church Curriculum, that what the prophets are saying when they comment “Sons of Perdition” can be counted on one hand was a sarcastic approach in front of a public audience. Just like a little kid who uses one hand to count to 10 or 20 using one hand – it could be any number. . . How high can you count? etc.etc. . . You can’t always take things taught publicly literally when you read them from a book or blog. There is a great deal of human emotion involved in saying a statement. To rely on the message more than the tone of the messanger will get you into trouble. . .